so many stupid things but one thing was interesting, he said to control it, to govern the italians is not difficult. it is impossible. so in that situation like that, it would have been impossible to control anything. so i left. >> rose: so you left. >> and then i became a free bird. >> rose: and how did that feel? >> fantastic. it was fantastic. because i had been music director all my life since 1968, in florence. london philharmonic, philadelphia orchestra after armandi,bascala, so after so many years of hard work, not only artistically and musically, but all of the other things that music -- a good and honest music director is to take care of, i worked so hard, that certainly i felt -- i feel light, i have to do only music when i want, where i want, and how i want, i was, i felt like a bird, a as i said before, ligero, and that's when the philadelphia philharmonic asked me to be the music director. i did several concerts, many concerts with th the philharmonc and beautiful concerts, i admire those musicians. i think they are very good, and they have, i have wonderful memories,